event and continue to make sure that that is a secure and safe event. of course, thousands expected to attend, yet again, so taylor swift's eras tour continues, hopefully in london for those fans who are waiting with bated breath. but of course a heightened sense of security across europe. it is very worrying to see how young these suspects are in their true fears that this is part of a trend, john, just recruiting younger and younger these jihadi groups because of their ability to mold and meld their minds in just about 15 seconds besides being in your cnn piece, what are the taylor swift fans have vienna doing oh my god, they are taking over the city it is absolutely incredible. >> they will do so for the next three days. they're going to be in their outfits. they will continue singing in the streets every single restaurant, bar or club seems, it seems has some sort of offer for swifties to come in and get a free burger, get a free drink, get to go to this club. so this city continues to go hard for taylor

swift for the next few days. >> we're just glad they're safe. salma. thank you so much. the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now straight from the source tonight, we have a debate, donald trump and kamala harris both agreeing to meet face-to-face as the foreign president is now calling for three of them in one month. >> and what was a falsehood and grievance-filled press conference at mar-a-lago today, as he thoughts to reclaim the spotlight and the headlines. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source tonight, the first debate between donald trump and vice president kamala harris has been set. mark your calendars for september 10 because following her rally in michigan today, vice president harris responded to the former president recommitting to the debate that he had not so long ago, backed away from i'm

finally agreed are you open? harris there outside of air force two saying it's tbd on those two other dates that trump's suggested as he now seems eager to debate her after waffling on the prospect about a week ago with trump insisting overall all that his strategy has not changed, despite how who he'll face on that debate stage certainly has the other side has to agree to the terms they may or may not agree. >> i don't know if they're going to agree. they she hasn't done an interview. she can't do an interview. she's barely competent and she can't do an interview. but i look forward to the debates because i think we have to set the record straight that press conference for donald trump made this announcement, went for more than an hour of spilled with several false statements and rambling at some

point. >> but one thing was clear and it came through as you listened to him speak earlier and taken questions, many of them from reporters. he's irritated at the size of crowds that harris is drawing in the momentum that she is seeing i think it's so terrible when you say, well, she has 1,500 people, 1,000 people. >> and they talk about oh, the enthusiasm. let me tell you. we have the intuition yes, he has the republican party and me as a candidate, but the republican party has the enthusiasm trump even boasted at one point that he had bigger crowds than martin luther king junior for his i have a dream speech yes. >> really, this news conference took place at trump's mar-a-lago club. as you can tell from the lectern in front of him, far from the swing states of michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. asked by cnn's kristen holmes why he has been off the campaign trail while his running mate and harris and her running mate have very much been on it trump

snapped with this response are we now is not some of your allies have. >> expressed concern in seriously other side, why their convention go through and i have to pay a lot of course, it's not a stupid question and instead has even been one that some of trump's own allies have been asking privately in recent days here with me tonight, former mayor of new york city built blasio trump's former white house communications director, alyssa farah griffin and senior correspondent for the grio, natasha alford. great to have you all here. alyssa we've seen in trump do this before, arrange a news conference when he doesn't like the way the news cycle is going. but he has very clearly trying to get it back now from harris, from her crowd sizes, from the momentum

she's saying he was claiming there's only 1,500 people at her rally. it was closer to 15,000. what did you see in that press conference today? >> i mean, it was an absolute dumpster fire of a press conference. i don't know how you could frame it any other way. he does feel like the focus is not on him. she's getting a lot of attention and he's kind of getting into i alone can fix it mode. i don't think advisers would have told him that 90 minutes of ranting and raving and re-litigating the former election is a useful way to be campaigning but he did what he's going to do. he had shout some of his greatest hits and i think that there is something to the fact that his last time he was in a battleground state was in georgia. he went after the popular governor and his wife. that's not helpful in a swing state. so i think advisers are thinking maybe have them do these interviews with influencers, maybe have him call into fox news, but figure out until he can hone a message and how but some level of discipline, having him out there actually isn't that helpful. >> well, and what about him now agreeing to not only agreeing to the abc debate, which was the one that he and biden had

initially agreed to, i believe on september 10. but what do you make of the fact that he's now saying, let's do three debates. one on fox won't abc. another one all in the month of september, when a week ago so he was saying, i don't even know if i'm going to do the abc one yeah. look, when you are losing or about to be losing, you want more debates someone who's doing great wants as little exposure as possible. he's now in a situation where he can he can read the polls, his people can. he needs a game changing situation. he hopes it comes into debate. you've got three of them. you have maximum chance of something special happening in your favor or the other team screwing up, et cetera. but here's there is a trap in this. i think kamala harris has done pretty much everything right for the last few weeks. and including the stunning choice of tim walz in a way that's played out i'd be careful of iowa her and her team to not to quickly say noted debates. i think this is something that's happened with lot of candidates who were doing well to get overconfident. they seem to recede and play it safe. and then the public starts to feel a little bit queasy. i think

she should say sure. i'll do three debates and then i would bet donald trump ends up back in a way because she'll win the first one and then suddenly he won't want anymore lunches saying she'll do the one in just a month, two days, basically, that's scheduled to happen. trump said he hasn't recalibrated his strategy for her, but it does seem like when he's trying his attack lines on her, what we're seeing from him on social media and in other interviews, he is doing, he is trying to figure out a line of attack for her, but but still doesn't seem to have a succinct one yet, you could feel the desperation in that press conference today. i mean the the hyperbole, the exaggeration. there was fear mongering, almost a scare american voters into thinking that they again have to vote for him in order to save the country. but i think he doesn't know where to place her because she's a prosecutor. i think the strengths that so many thing so many people like about her or her personality. some of the things are intangible. it's

charisma, it's the joy, right? who would have thought that her being? a person who could be both serious and funny would work in her favor. so he's going with i think some of the most base sort of attack saying she's not smart, not that bright, kind of playing to the racism and stereotypes that people have. and i think it just exposes how weak he is. >> yeah, he said she wasn't smart enough to do a news conference. that's the core so that he said she said today that she's told her advisors she wants to do an interview before the end of the month. obviously, it's quite early in august. do you think she should do one before then yeah. >> i again, i think when you're doing everything right. >> and she is to her great credit when you start to play kind of tight on some of the stuff, bad things happen she does have the ability to give a perfectly good interview or press conference, right? i mean, there to always a chance of a liner to out-of-place. but she's very, very good and that projects confidence, that projects inclusion. i don't blame anyone in the media who starts saying, hey, wait a

minute, we want to hear more. if we want a chance to question you, especially as you could want to be the front runner. i think the important thing for her is to show openness because that's part of what people like about her yeah. >> when we saw some of the harris campaign, people say, well, trump should be doing more press conferences because they like what he's out there answering questions. he was talking about abortion at one zero point. elicit today, i thought this was one of the key moments from that hour-long press conference. listen to what he said i think the abortion issue has been taken down many notches. >> i don't think it's i don't think it's a big factor anymore really and when people hear what i said in the debate, and i think i said it very well during the debate. we brought it back to the states. everybody wanted it in the states and very importantly and you think about this assuming you have exceptions, if you don't have exceptions, it's a more difficult thing. >> he was also then asked about directing the fda if he would direct them to change abortion

pills, the access to abortion pills if he was in office, that's part of project 2025. he didn't seem to understand the question. the answer that he did provide, i watched it twice, made no sense. he said, you could do things that would supplement absolutely. and those things are pretty open and humane. >> he also, on this broader discussion, he gave kind of an incoherent answer as to how he would vote on the florida abortion initiative because legalizing abortion will be on the ballot in florida. and any totally get it. >> and he predicted and paths when he kind of dodged and sort of indicated maybe he would be supporting it listen, he's absolutely downplaying it. he knows this is the one of the most motivating issues, especially for female voters. this cycle, he's actually been way ahead of republicans and understanding what a vulnerability is for republicans. i don't think he knows. he doesn't have a core conviction around this, so he's trying to downplay and soften and i wouldn't be shocked if he did end up if he turns out to vote vote for that initially, it was all wishful thinking that idea that abortion doesn't matter the public religion research institute found that there are more voters who are picking

their candidate based on their stance on abortion. it's only increased the number of people. and we know that the majority of the public actually does support the legal right to abortion. so again, he wants to signal that maybe there's some be as vague as possible. so there's room for interpretation that doesn't trap him. no and he took away a woman's right to choose. >> i want to be clear. he took away a woman's right to choose and this is the first time the women of america get to vote on him since he did that. and they are going to speak loudly when he brought up ralph northam in abortion seeming to try to get governor walz, but there was there were a few moments where i don't i'm not sure he ever actually said governor walz's named during this press conference? >> there just a few moments that stood out as he was even trying to to articulate what walz has done for transgender rights in minnesota listen to what trump was saying they radical left man that is your new governor from minnesota

kamala and her friend, her new friend it's so funny. the football coach the national guard reservist with his dad jokes is just not the picture of the radical left man. i mean, it's just amazing. they're trying to put an identity on tim walz had just like bounces right off of him and it's it gets back to your point. they don't know what to do at this moment. they're lost actually tim walz, i think we all are surprised. tim walz is like the perfect american candidate for the blue wall, especially the perfect vp choice. and trump just can't find a way to demonize. >> it was as if he was afraid to attack this avoiding of the name because he's like, this is fair frailty not known, it to be honest, i would not be stunned if he did wear as jd vance's name id, and unfavorability have gone up. i

think he's still learning who tim walz's and he doesn't know how to structure. it. >> still largely because he is maybe his name as well. there was another thing that clearly frustrated trump when it came up today at something that has always been an animating topic for him. listen to this i've spoken to the biggest grads. >> nobody spoken to crowds bigger than me. if you look at martin luther king, when he did his speech, his great speech, and you look at ours, same real estate, same everything same number of people, if not, we had more and they said he had 1 million people, but i had 25,000 people of course, trump's fascination, his exaggeration of crowd sizes goes back over 2,700 days to this one in 2017 after his inauguration when he sent his new press secretary out to the white house briefing room to lie this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period, both

in-person and around the globe? >> more now from trump's former white house communications director, anthony scaramucci, anthony just when this came up today, i think the mlk comparison, it's just this eternal obsession with crowd sizes yeah, he doesn't like the way the media reports on the crowd size is because the media is telling the truth and isn't like that. and so this is the reason why he told 30,000 lies in four years, and that's that my number. that's the washington post number. the actual number was 40 40, 30,450 before lies. so it doesn't like that kaitlin, but i want to pick up on something that mirror to blasio said because i think it's totally true, governor waltz is the college game day candidate. i mean, this is a guy that could go on college game day and recite all of the players. i tell you what's going to happen that day. and it's going to be very

hard to lay a glove on this guy so they can keep trying if they want to i know they're working on this whole stolen valor narrative and all this sort of thing. but it's not going to stick on this man. this guy is a true patriot, are real american and he is a happy warrior. and so it's a very big contrast between him and j.d. vance. i will say that, yeah, we'll see if governor walz will be the celebrity guest pecker on college game day this fall. >> i'm not so sure they want to wade into politics, but on the actual serious nature of this and trump's view of this campaign in this race as it stands right now. i when you saw him today, upset with the question from kristen holmes about why he's not on the campaign out on the campaign trail this week, which no one has really articulated, at least not to me. and also just the momentum and what energy harris is seeing in her race. it doesn't seem clear that it'll last forever for but, but certainly it's their right now. how do you think trump is feeling about his own campaign and his own campaign team right

now he's not on the campaign trail because he's mixed up. >> he's been flomax by how to attack or so he's in retreat. he is in his bunker he's also got a big fight going on internally related project 2025 because he said 70 or 80 people over there to work on that. and then he disavowed them when it wasn't working. and so there's a breach inside the campaign. he's upset with the two campaign heads right now. he's trying to figure out if he should go back to the 2016 version of his campaign and a result of all this, he is in great rumination and frustration inside of mar-a-lago, and that's why he call that press conference. he went he went around and he basically said, okay, i'm going to show all of you guys how it's done on the alpha big dog. you guys are dummies. i have this very big brain. and so i'm gonna go out to the press and spew garbage for 90 minutes. and i can guarantee you when he walked off that podium, he thought he did great and they told him he did great

but it was like a lot of unhinged mania and i think it reminds people of what his presidency was like between 2017 and 2021 and so that's why why is that campaigning. he doesn't know directionally where to go right now, and he's calling around to his minions, trying to figure out if he should change strategy and started firing people again just one more point killed is very important in august of 2016. and he did exactly that he fired his group and he hired kellyanne conway and steve bannon to come into campaign and you think we could see a replica of that in the 2024 votes? i do because he's really slipping in the polls. it looks very frustrated. he looks very angry and you know, him as well as i know, you cover him in the white house. i'm not going to bait the bag. kamala harris unless it's on fox news and then five five minutes later, i want to do three debates with kamala harris. and again marital blasio was right. he wants to do more debates

because he knows he's behind the nest to figure out how to wait. a way to catch up. >> we'll see what that looks like. anthony scaramucci, everyone in the whole panel. thank you. all. we do have breaking news in the trump election interference case the special counsel, jack smith is now asking for it's actually quite a surprise compared to what his track record has been so far and tonight we also have obtained new body cam video from i'm trump's attempted assassination. it's remarkable to see what happens seconds before the gunman opened fire will show you in a moment comedy is commerce to cnn. >> what could go wrong? i got news for you, for me or saturday, september 14 at nine on cnn this morning now, relax

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just got prosecutors for special counsel, jack smith say that they need more time before having to say what the justice department's next move is going to be when it comes to the election interference case against donald trump in washington so this office told the judge that they're still working through the supreme court's decision earlier this summer that granted trump sweeping immunity for his official acts while he was in office. >> our cnn senior crime and justice reporter, katelyn polantz is following all of the breaking news has been reading through this filing and kaitlan, what stands out right off the bat after covering jack smith? this is unusual for him. he's normally pushing for things to happen faster. now they're asking for more time. what else is in here? >> yeah. one of the things that the justice department, the special counsel's office, is saying in this two-page filing is consultations are underway, not even about what to do next, but even just talking to the judge about when they can tell her what to do next. >> so they want until basically

september for this case to kick up again, they need more time even to plan out what the next steps will be. that's three weeks away. and kaitlan, one of the things to remember here is there is not going to be a trial before the election in this federal case against donald trump that has long been known since the supreme court decided almost 40 days ago on this presidential immunity decision. and then on top of that, within the justice department, they are very well aware that once we're into september, there can't be overt investigative activity that's taking place, that's a department policy. and then on top of that, there's a question of whether there will be any substantive or consequential court hearings when those would be able to take place, would they happen in september and october? a lot of this is going to ultimately be up to the judge, but we were expecting a filing late hang out the plans from the justice department tomorrow, a hearing next friday that does not

appear to be where the justice department wants things to be going. and we'll have to see what judge tanya chutkan does next. the trump team, of course, is very happy with the idea that delays are what is in court right now before the judge. >> yeah. it's been their strategy all along. katelyn polantz. thank you for that. are inside source who is also here tonight, not only served in the trump administration as that ashtrays national security adviser, he was also the assistant attorney general at the justice department before ambassador john bolton is here, it's great to have you ambassador when you hear this, what do you read into it? jack smith asking for more time from the judge to sort through this when he's actually typically been the one pushing to get this case in trial in court faster well, i think it's less jack smith than it is dealing with the rest of the justice department on two levels. >> first, i think this question of timing and what can be done or not be done pursuant to justice department policy before an election is going to take some time to resolve

because there's never been a case like this. it's another piece of uncharted territory of how much they're actually going to be able to do. and september, october. but i think the other issue is is the supreme court decision on immunity is an extraordinarily broad decision, and it's wrong in many respects in my view one respect in which it's wrong is that it's too simplistic and its assessment of how the executive branch works and i think within the justice department, you have a lot of component on ads that have responsibility for protecting the executive branch, but also prosecuting criminals. and before jack smith plunges ahead with whatever his view of how to interpret that immunity decision is, the rest of the department has to come to agreement. and i think there's probably a lot of discussion and that's big cause of the delay. >> yeah. it's remarkable to see it, especially given this is a case that revolves around after the election and january 6. and then at that press conference today, we also heard

trump describing when he left the white house as a peaceful transfer of power that's a quote from him. i'm not sure historians will see it that way, but as you he was talking about what it looks like when he left the white house the last time, he also seemed to be laying the groundwork for the 2024 election and possible issues that we could see him him tried to present should he lose this election, listen to what he said when he was raising questions about harris as the candidate the fact that you can be get no votes, lose in the primary system. >> in other words, you had 14 or 15 people. she is the first one out. and that you can then be picked to run for president seems seems to me actually unconstitutional. perhaps it's not do you think a comment like that is trump laying the groundwork to question the election results, saying it's unconstitutional for her claiming it's unconstitutional for her to be the nominee.

absolutely and it's another demonstration of how little of american history trump knows whatever he did know. he obviously has disregarded but we know one thing for sure, trump never loses and so if he's not declared the winner of 2024, as in 2020, it must be because he. was treated unfairly. yet again, it was stolen. yet again and i don't think he knows exactly what his theory is going to be this time to explain how the election he was denied winning the election. so he's trotting out a number of things and i think this is why people need to start thinking more now about how to deny i trump the ability the day after the election if he loses to try and throw the process into chaos again, i think this was a mistake in 2020, trump was the cause of many republicans not casting early ballots because he insisted they would be fraudulently abused by the democrats will in 2020, why weren't his his lawyers in

court in august, september, october, trying to stop all this vote harvesting all this illicit activity because he didn't he didn't want to do something that might actually affect the election. he wanted to build the basis for an excuse to explain why he didn't really lose. and i definitely think that's what he's about and he was questioning mail-in voting today, even as his daughter-in-law at the republican national committee is urging people to vote by mail saying that they should play that game. >> i do something else that happened today in this very lengthy press conference something that i'm going to we're going to show you what trump said today and then show you what actually happened i was very protective of her. nobody would understand that, but i was i think my people understand it. they used to say lock her up, lock her up, but i'd say just relax, please. folks honestly, she's guilty as hell. i think she should be in jail. she should be locked up

not exactly. relax, please. or as he phrased it today that look, trump can't tell the difference between what's true and what's false. it's not that he lies a lot because two to lie, you have to do it consciously. he just can't tell the difference. so he makes up what he wants to say at any given time. if it happens to comport with what everybody else sees. well, that's fine. and if it doesn't comport with anybody else, he doesn't really care and he's had decades of getting away with it. so in his mind, the truth is whatever he wants it to be. and that's what you heard today yeah. >> i mean, you got to wonder how hillary clinton sees first answer like that one, ambassador john bolton, thank you for being here glad to be with you up next, republicans today, questioning the military record of vice president harris is running mate governor tim walz let's see it. kfile found about what happened the first time walt brown for office not

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atwood at the state department and this is cnn vice president harris tonight defending her new running mate, senator j.d. >> vance, and other republicans have called into question governor tim walz's military record and i praise anyone who has presented themselves to serve our country and i think that we all should now this is not a newfound accusation against governor walz. i should note because tonight cnn's kfile has actually found he faced similar criticism to what he's facing now, during his first run for congress, when his 2006 campaign leaned heavily on his military service. >> sometimes and everyday person comes along and helps put the impossible within our reach the coach who could see a championship three years just before the big game. the teacher who inspired generations in one by one, the

soldier who served for two decades, but ready when they attacked, command and sergeant major retiree four years late after a tour supporting the war in afghanistan at that time, multiple letters to his local paper accused waltz of suggesting that he served in iraq or afghanistan. >> wald's himself responded to that, clarifying that he was deployed to support the war in afghanistan, serving in italy from 2003 to 2004. i'm joined tonight by democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill, who is also a navy veteran and served for nearly ten years. so it's great to have you here. one, of course, thank you for your service. we've been focusing so much on these questions for people who have served j.d. vance, governor walz it's obviously important to also just say if thank you for for serving, but as a fellow veteran us spoke out today about these attacks on your fellow democrat. why did you feel compelled to do so? >> because the accusations being lodged against governor miles or so incredibly

offensive, it's reminiscent of the swift boat that senator kerry faced in his election. we're seeing the same people trying to reignite this type of slanderous campaign against a man who served for 24 years in the national guard. he served generally people serve about 20 years. he served 24 years of honorable service got out before the announcement had even been made that his troops were deploying to try to make some story against his service is really offensive and even more offensive because these accusations are being watched by another veteran. >> well, i know the swift boat reference. there is one that our audience will remember, but what's also notable here is that one of donald trump's campaign managers, chris lacivita, was the driving force behind those ads the swift boat veterans for truth, that questioned john kerry's military service. and i just

wonder, as you look at this in the heat of this political moment, when kari ran for president, tells four people said he didn't do enough to responded to push back to those attacks. i mean, what do you want to hear from governor walz on this high just really want him to proudly talk about his time in service because he has lived a lifetime of public service. and this is that same old tired playbook. there, like one ponies against people who served and those of us who are veterans find it incredibly offensive because it's not the details, it's the fact that here is a person who has spent his entire life in service to this country. so whether it was 24 years in the national guard are or if it was the fact that he was a school teacher for over a decade he's been in congress. he's been the governor. now he's offered to raise his hand again to serve

as vice president so to come at him and suggest that his service was an honorable or that despite all the records to the contrary, he somehow left his troops wanting leadership is just ridiculous and it's really, really offensive. >> he has been scrutinized for suggesting on occasion that he carried weapons and fighting. it's examples of comments that the government there's made like this one and we can make sure that those weapons of war that i carried in war is the only place where those weapons you were someone who did. >> serve in combat is when you, when you hear something like that, do you think that governor walz she should be more precise about how he discusses his service. >> should he acknowledge and clarify that he wasn't carrying weapons in an actual combat zone well, many of us have served in combat theaters. i wouldn't say that i served and ground combat a habit, but these these are different ways

that our military records show that we've served in theaters which are considered combat theaters, but many of us feel like black here's, here are people that have i've been on the ground really facing a different type of fighting that i did say on a ship for example so there's all different ways of characterizing this. i think what he was saying is that these are weapons of war, that he is trade people in, that he is familiar with. it shouldn't be on the streets or in civilian hands that these are very dangerous weapons and he wants to make sure that our children are threatened by these very same weapons that we go to war with yeah, we're seeing all this play out. >> i just what do you want to hear from it? just kind of this moment where i was watching this all day today, where people are looking at what senator j.d. vance did. they're looking at governor walz, anyone who speaks out there looking at their own military record, we heard from adam kinzinger saying earlier that he's worried this entire instance playing out is going

to make people who have served maybe less hesitant to run for office. do you share that concern? >> you know, that's why we're all coming out today because i've got to tell you i am so proud of our veterans are the people across this country who've served. in fact, my own daughter has entered into the navy. i'm thrilled with that. i am so proud of her and i would never despair french, the service of others because people serve across this country in all different ways in leadership positions across this nation. governor walz is one of the senior most enlisted members who's ever served in the house of representatives he should be proud of that. and the people have minnesota should be proud to have a veteran like that representing them and to disparage that are a little that again, i think part of the reason that you hear so many of us coming out so strongly is because senator kerry was a gentleman. he was just going to dismiss it because he was very proud of his service. and i think

thought that that kind of spurious attack would simply die out on its own. again this is like a one trick pony from the republican party, which is bereft ideas. so they're attacking some of the very things that i'm so proud of about members of my party and especially our veteran members will congratulations to your daughter and thanks to her. thanks to everyone who has served. i think one thing that but we can all agree on is that we're we're all grateful for any veterans service congresswoman mikie sherrill. it's great to have you tonight. thank you thanks again. yeah. great to have you up next. >> there are other moments especially one from that press conference today from donald trump at mar-a-lago that you have to see renewed attacks on one of the most popular republican governors. and a critical swing state. what i'm hearing from sources tonight about why donald trump is still fuming a brian kemp assignment

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in the georgia primary? >> i didn't vote for anybody. i've voted, but didn't vote for nobody in the race was already over when the primary got here. >> but you didn't vote for donald trump? >> not for anybody. >> why not? >> because the race is over with my source tonight, governor kemp's number two previously, the former lieutenant governor of the state of georgia, geoff duncan is here now i should note he is supporting vice president harris in this election. geoff, it's great to have you though, because notwithstanding that brian kemp also told me he will be voting for donald trump trump in november. just didn't vote for him in the primary i mean, what do you make of the fact that the trump has reignited this feud with him? >> well, the donald trump, they got beat in 2020 is back in full force, and that's music to the ears of people like me, republicans like me that cannot wait for donald trump's get beat so we can have our party back every time donald trump opens his mouth and talks bad about brian kemp, he just seems so small i have yet to have a

single republican in georgia since he ran his mouth in this last rally down here, try to defend what donald trump is saying. and in fact to the contrary brian kemp has entire lines of republicans going up on social media. and in the newspaper defending his conservative honored rightfully so but donald trump is on the warpath and it's, i can't imagine why it would make sense politically. but the facts just don't align as he continues to malign brian kemp and others around him about that 2020 election. i mean, what he's essentially saying is, hey, i helped you win an election which is false. he didn't. brian kemp has already up by almost double digits at the time. but because i endorsed you via twitter bitter, you should commit a felony and try to get me to win the election even though i didn't get enough votes yeah, that's basically that's a good way to submit up, but you know what i was thinking about this and i've interviewed camp multiple times, just about where this stance and he's so clearly wants to be able to support the republican ticket. >> he wants to see republican in the oval office he even seem

to be on the verge of being willing to go out on the campaign trail with donald trump. when i spoke to him right then, but before the debate but you know, he's not just going donald trump, not just going after camp or you are brad raffensperger, the secretary of state. he also went after brian kemp's wife, the first lady of georgia marty camp because she did not vote for trump. and you've said what you've been hearing from other republicans mean, how does that sit with suburban women voters in georgia? did they shrug that off? >> no, certainly not. i mean, he's he's got lots of problems and lots of constituencies that don't like him and really, genuinely want an excuse to not vote for him. i think his lies and his hateful attitude is really starting to serve as snake venom to that 10% that are going to actually care and matter. i mean, i can't personally support donald trump for a number of reasons. reasons. but one of them is because he instigated death threats against my wife and my kids and did nothing about it. i'd armed guards outside these windows waiting for somebody who tried to attack me. now, because they are a terrorist, but because they were a

republican that believed in his lies that i had somehow rig the election. it's all nonsense, but truth the truth of the matter is like i said a second ago, this 10% of the middle, i think these lies serve as snake venom. and it's really going to turn their stomachs yeah, wanted to remarkable to see how these very real comments can have real effects on people and their families. >> and what that means. geoff duncan, thank you for joining us from georgia tonight. >> thank you up next here we have new bodycam footage from the attempted assassination of donald trump. >> the remarkable moment that police officer sarr's actually discovered. the gunman when you buy or sell your car exactly how you want with car gurus, you might begin to wonder, what if you could do things your way? >> all the time some dreams do

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fire. in a, video. you can see a police officer who stood up onto the roof by another officer. the officer then sees the shooter and quickly drops back down to the ground. >> there's what, 40 seconds after that. >> when thomas matthew crooks fired eight shops it donald trump. >> now we know this happened. >> we'd heard about it from our reporting, but this is the first time that you were actually getting to see it in another video tonight from after that encounter, you can hear just how furious one local officer is at the secret service told them, because the guys ever hear, i told him that the secret service i told him that tuesday i told him the post guys over here, i wasn't even concerned about it because i thought someone was on the rooftop. >> i look that's going to lose a guy walking i talked to the secret service guys are like, yeah, no problem. we're going to post guys over here the secret service ultimately posted three local counter-snipers inside one of

the adjacent buildings. >> they have declined to comment on this new video tonight. joining me tonight to discuss, as cnn's law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent himself, the wackrow what goes through your mind? i know what goes through my mind when i see that video. what goes through your mind? >> it's it's stunning, right? it is absolutely stunning because this is the worst fears of every secret service agent as you're putting together a security plan came to reality at that moment when you know about the breakdown in communication breakdown and roles and responsibilities. now, knowing that there was 40 seconds, there was a gap of 40 seconds from the moment that an officer when onto the roof to win the shots started getting going downrange towards the former president that is a attorney it in law enforcement to try to prevent that action from happening. what we did not hear, were calls on the radio, notify the secret service, pull the former president off the stage. it was a lot of things we didn't hear in terms of communication and action. why? because it wasn't coordinated

beforehand. those officers clearly from this video that we're seeing, did not understand their role in responsibility on that day. they were acting as they would normally act in a patrol situation, not a protective mission. yeah. i mean, you can in the dashboard camera of the officer who came face-to-face with the gunman. >> you can clearly hear the eight shots the warning of that officer, i just want we have actually the audio of that. i want people to be able to listen to that part of your head is right there. she's got glass as long hair. >> you mike? >> on the wall. >> and paul, my head very firm about both bag. >> he's got mashed a or laying down, but watch out because he can come right down on you over there what you didn't hear is notify the secret service, the immediate action steps that's not what we're hearing here in

this audio. we're hearing those shots. that's chilling for an agent for former agent. that is absolutely chilling to hear because it's the worst-case scenario come to reality and it shouldn't have what happened. yeah. and you when you watch that and as we've seen, this play out and as trump himself is still being faced with questions about how he felt about this. you're seeing the enhanced security around him when he was on stage at the republican convention, i saw secret service officers actually on stage with him, which is typically they'd be right down, but they were actually on this stage with him. the democratic convention is in two weeks, and chicago. there were already concerns about protests. what that was going to look like in light of such a security failure, what does it look like for a major event? i like that one. >> the major event now is putting every potential resource towards it. it's not just a political then stand alone. this is a national special security event where it's a whole of government approach and they've been spending an awful long time years in the planning process

to identify threats, identify the points of vulnerability in building out a comprehensive security plan as they did with the rnc. so it's a different application of security but these, these moments, these political rallies that are happening with significant frequency now and through november, the secret service has to readjust their model to never allow this to happen again last time we talked it was the transparency the secret service has it improved enough in your view? >> no, it hasn't. it hasn't because what we're learning is more from these videos than we are from the leaders of the secret service. and that is a problem. we need to reassure the american public that the election is safe for our political leaders. and i'm just not hearing enough. the former current director is trying his best to get that message out, but it's got to be more forceful. >> jonathan wackrow. thank you as always for your expertise. thank you all so much for joining us. cnn newsnight starts right now.